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Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Maestro, Nov 9, 2016.
Well I dont know what Trump thinks about climate change, but this is interesting subject ( one could study this subject alone for months ) but surely there is something wrong here. Not to preach down to anybody, but following is how I see it ( climate change ).
I doubt any reasonable intelligent human being would deny climate change, since its a fact that it is changing and it has changed in past and will keep changing. Climate did change long before there was modern type of humans on earth, for example where I live now, there was some 8000 years ago 4 km thick layer of solid ice ( called ice age ), then there was global warming ( period that is still continuing to this day ), there were people on those days too, but it would be ridiculous to blame them for that change, since they did only posses very primitive methods and tools to cause this change. So what can we learn by this first of all; serious climate change without mans actions is a fact and it can and is happening.
Now the real question considering this subject is not if is there climate change or not, but Is the climate change mostly caused by man ?
Now this is the right question, and the one that gets so often mixed. People who deny man made climate change gets labelled as fools ''who deny the climate change'' and this is the typical distorted rhetoric by forces that actively drive this agenda of ''climate change''. So with simple change of wording and issue they try to discredit the opposition. And people who really havent been thinking this matter, often repeat it. You can hear it from anywhere; mainstream media, doomsayers who predict ''death and destruction to sinners'' and even scientists who are told or paid to promote this. Even hollywood makes the catastrophic movies like ''the day after tomorrow'' to scare the ignorant.
Great number of people seem to believe what ever is told at them, if they think it comes from credible source or its fashionable to believe so and or accepted by large public.
Especially young people are vulnerable to this, as they are taught that they are sinners and they should consume less and pay more lets say for electricity.
People who preach about ''climate change'' ( the real issue is man made climate change, as I pointed above ) reminds me of priests in medieval age, ''all men are born as sinners and they must make amends'' in those times amends was money of course and these days its two folded; one is population control and second is about money as well as in those days ( in form of taxes and rights to use or air (carbon rights ). There is plenty of evidence about where ''religion of climate change'' is originated and it gives me pause for sure. But im not going there this time, as its huge study on its self.
Climate change issue is also closely linked to social and economic aspects as well, the social aspect is linked to population control ( the size and type of it, and what countries have industry ). This matter comes from same place as ''climate change'' and these two are linked, but again a huge subject not going there now. The economic aspect; well of course governments take their huge share as taxes ( they tax products that pollutes like crazy, at least in Europe ) but there is private monetary interest as well, financial world is just screaming to monetize rights to air itself ( carbon rights are already reality ) but if this trend is allowed to continue, you the reader will be paying for your right to breath air ( they want personal carbon rights to all citizens ), Iv read so many reports, and exams on this matter alone and sure makes me worried. Second part of economic aspect of this is the securitization of these products ( means that they can trade your right to breath air in stock exchanges and make money of it through volatility of these said products, as they do now with other items ). I would not give all this to them. its so ridiculous when I see people who doesnt know anything about matters they speak of, ( like those leftist social justice warriors, those people are tools and they dont even realize it ).
Now what is the major cause for climate change then ? The Sun of course as it has always been in the past and will be and addition to this earths angle ( how the suns energy hits earth ). Yeah I believe that mans actions affects as well but its not the major cause for change, as pointed above, the motives for this is something else. Sorry for long post, but when I make an arguments, I like to explain my stand, since problem with these days are comments like '' you fucking idiot, you dont believe in climate change, how stupid can you be ?'' People shout past eachother, are emotional. I coulnt kept this post any shorter since, in that case there would have been problems for reader to understand, there is easily material for whole book but.. I dont see any point putting some book into forums with sources and exams.
Fred, people who often seem to be the greatest of fools are often more smart than people who laugh at them, at least to my experience. This was not meant as rant or disrespectful.
*Looks at watch* oh took me some hour and half to write this
ok time for some simple fun and play some sof2 !
-Another fool who thinks manmade climate change is a hoax
WOW Storm what an epic fucking post I loved every bit of it. Yeah sure for example when I talk about something I know what I am talking about 100%, for example I do know a lot about Hillary and elite and globalist that are FACTS and would make people vomit to read here. I've done my homework. I don't know climate change that well to be as educated on that front as you for example, but yes I do not believe that climate change by man is happening or even if it is,- that its as bad as they try to portray it to us based on the facts that I know as of now.
Donald Trump is a very smart man for sure, anyone who denies that fact must be in denial about lots of things in life. He also isn't a clown,- everything that he does is a strategy of portraying a certain image to masses. His every move is deliberate and calculated even if based on emotions or "bullying" or "namecalling". Same with Hillary I can call her many things,- a liar and a crook 100%, but I can't call her stupid for example. And everything I presented here are facts that anyone can check anytime. It's very emotional approach that people nowadays take when discussing serious matters. It almost seems like nobody can argument their position properly. Especially those Social Justice Warriors who are crying crocodile tears now, or these feminists, LGBTQ or antiracist groups or manginas and white knights. The problem with them is that they actually always mirror those who they call all these names. I can't call you a racist white trash without being a racist myself on that front.
That's why I am so glad that a man with balls and a true leader came forth as an American president!
Storm once again nice post thank you! I got to know more about climate change for real!
Tnx mate ! Yeah there are many interesting things to study...too bad human life is so short. About Trump; he might not be kind of president his supporters might been expecting based on his speeches. I did notice right away after his election that his entire way of behaving is changed, big part of his campaing was based bad mouthing Clinton and Obama, and now he has been talking how much he respects them and so on. So there is total u-turn on that one it seems ( or who knows, he might just be fooling them to drop their guard ), but only now mainstream media is picking it up. I did wish him to win, but I did always hold some reservations about this intention, since there was many times he did turn his cloak on some issues, so I dont find him so trustworthy, he is no true libertarian but at least he is not socialist and that was a lot for me.
But I can say for certainty, this man has no respect for public as large ( most politician do not ) but I have bit bad feeling about him, I surely didint expect him to win the election. I think people who supports somebody full 100%, should be more careful, since it can be so easily abused.
But as fred said, words are words and action are actions, only when we see the first 100 days of this man in office, we can say for sure what he really is. Makes me think people like Alex Jones who are doing good job in some issues ( not in all ) and hace been supporting Trump 100%, they have been anti establisment for so many years now ( hahaha I remember seeing him in movie ''a scanner darkly'' shouting at street corner, haha great stuff. ) he did support Trump full 100 %, but what happens when Trump *is* the establishment? Who is he going to rail against? Jones is talking about Prison planet, but in Trumps world there are WALLS and lot of armed guards and soldier to keep order and security, people like jones might be in for rude awakening.
Yeah I get your points. They are really well articulated I also thought about all of it in the same manner. There is, however something to be said in my mind for a lot of things I know about Trump where he helped out people and told them not to tell to anybody, like very ordinary people. And some of these people revealed only later (not in this election necessary) how much Trump helped them. It's the same as with PROVEN private and public position of Hillary Clinton. Ofc we do need to see if he will fullfill his promises or no that will be the ultimate measuring point. To me it's the same as me saying hey we gonna have this or that thing done in amazing fashion and people get inspired. Now from that point on it only depends on my OWN integrity if I do that or no and nobody ofc could know it before hand if I really follow through or not and this can be done only after the fact.
Same here I am not afraid to be about 90% confident in the guy and if he fails it's okay I don't have a crystall ball nor can I truly measure a man's heart,- nobody can. The best detectives in the planet will tell you you ALMOST never can predict if a person is lying or not only when his actions start contradicting his words. From everything I gathered about Trump I can make an assumption that he will be great. If not I won't loose any sleep over that lol.
Also on some of the issues you said he may go U-Turn this might be a plan of his deliberately calculated, the thing is that Obama is still in the office these 2 months there are many behind the curtains situations going on in Washington. Either way I will keep somewhat of an open eye to all of this stuff as time moves forward
Last thing since you mentioned the infowars Storm. Look at this interview . Now president Trump was doing the interview there and imagine that huh?
I saw it when it was fresh many months ago, I doubt hes giving them any new interviews, now that he is president, he got what he wanted.
Jones didint really make any interesting questions to him ( very disappointing to me ) like considering personal freedoms of people or postition of FED and US dollar ( he must know a lot of monetary system ), instead he let Trump have his usual speech, which we all know so well By now.
Yeah bro I know, but at that time I think maybe Jones didn't want to give him a bear favor like they say in russia . Meaning that he makes it seem like Trump is also hanging out with "conspiracy theorists". It could hurt his campaign a lot actually, like there wasn't enough haters already. I made an edit to my post above where I added that Trump did call to Alex and thanked all of his show and he told that he will try to pop on for an interview when it will be possible. I hope he will. But you know what's funny Storm,- people saying that he is already flip-flopping about some issues while he didn't even take White House yet,- only in January. So it's like only speculations now. Either way I did say all that I wanted to say here and bring people some additional wisdom and it was interesting to see every reaction here. I had lots of fun with this topic .
GJ MR TRUMP! NOW ONLY INNAGURATION AND GREAT DEEDS LEFT!
LET US ALL HOPE HE WONT END UP LIKE KENNEDY OR LINCOLN BOTH GREAT PRESIDENTS, BUT MET AN UNFORTUNATE END VIA ASSASSINATION BY THEIR OWN ELITE OPPOSERS!
P.S. I BELIEVE HE WON'T!
Great Kennedy speech that led me to an understanding that he was killed by his own government agents: